Follow
Share

I apologize in advance for my rant, but I just have to get this out. My mother passed a few months back. For the most part, she had her legal affairs in order with her 3 children as equal beneficiaries per her will. The only exception was an insurance policy left to an older child many many years ago with the expectation that the older sibling would look out for the other 2 younger siblings. I truly believe it was a complete oversight as to why my mother didn't update the beneficiary information.


Fast forward to today, all sibs are fully grown and that older sibling didn't lift a finger during mother's four year cancer journey. They may have visited a total of 5x for a total of 10 hours and maybe called once a week if that. Reason given "I'm busy".


I know there is nothing I can do if this sibling decides to keep that entire insurance policy. I was the one who scraficed and cared for my mother and would do it again. My other sibling helped me out as much as they could and fully supports me. So my question would be how could someone dishonor their parent and live with themselves knowing full well the intent of their parent wishes? I have much faith and I shutter to think what's going to happen to this soon to be estranged sibling.


Thanks for listening.

This question has been closed for answers. Ask a New Question.
Find Care & Housing
Yes, I'm very proud for taking good care of my mother. I made her feel safe and loved and she was happy until she passed away. Thanks for your kind words.
Helpful Answer (9)
Report

Some people just aren't very nice.
That goes for siblings, spouses, parents, etc.
You have known this to be the case for some time.
These people live with themselves very nicely, and often pass along without a care in the world; I myself don't believe in kharma or divine retribution.
These people are best left to their own devices and their own lives; that seems to have been the case all these years anyway. And on you go with a good life of your own, treasuring your memories and knowing you did a great job.
Just get on with life, and make it good, make it quality, make it as happy as you can. I wish you the best and am sorry for your loss.
Helpful Answer (16)
Report

This is something I struggle with, I am left to help my parents while my sister visits once every few months for less than an hour. When the day comes that both my parents are gone there is no doubt that my sister will be right there with her hand out. But it comes as no surprise because she has always only been there to take. I don't know how you deal with it but my plan is to go for the 'Best revenge in life is living well" strategy because I can think of nothing else to do. Waste no more of your life being angry at someone who just doesn't care how you feel..take that time back and look for happiness ....and someday.. when that sibling looks to you for help, well, you will be too busy, somewhere on a beach.
Remember what you did for your mum and be proud of the kind of person you are, really proud. Now go and treat yourself accordingly.
Helpful Answer (15)
Report

I have been constantly surprised by how NOT surprised I am by some people's actions.

My OB robbed my parents blind, yet in their will, he would have received 1/6th of their estate, just like the rest of us who DIDN'T take their home equity, silver, antiques and coin collections.

OB passed 11 years ago, but the will pre-dated his death and I have to say, that it rankled in my soul that he could be so greedy and STILL inherit the same as the rest of us.

It's less than $10K a piece, but he had bilked mom and dad of almost $200K.
Helpful Answer (9)
Report

It sounds like she had not yet made that decision, so give it a bit and maybe she will do the right thing? One can always hope. My FILs will was a bit convoluted, and the trust made Hubs and I sure that we didn;t want that mess, luckily we have only one child and if anything is left it will be hers . My hubs did EVERTHING for his folks until they had to move in with BIL, as my folks were already living with us. They asked to move in with us but there was no way it could work. FIL bought a new huge house, paid ALL the bills, house paid off, and the works said to divide everything 60/40. Yep,, BIL got the huge house and we got the vacation home ( worth about 1/3) of the estate. Plus some investment money set up 50/50. Plus BIL had the trust pay all the bills for the property they got and lived in for the year it took to settle the estate, while we had to pay all the bills on the vacay home.. Shady yes,, but it is what it is... We hoped for the best,, but at least we are OK knowing we did our best for his parents while we could. Sometimes you have to just let it go..
Helpful Answer (4)
Report

This is one of the reasons why I as a financial planning professional revisit beneficiary designations on an annual basis.

Your sibling has no legal reason to share the insurance proceeds with you. If as you say the policy was set up a long time ago, was it done when you and your other sibling were minors? In which case it makes sense.

No one is obligated to provide care to their parents, or visit etc. Even two siblings who were raised in the same home can have very different upbringings and feelings about providing care. It does not mean one is right and the other wrong.
Helpful Answer (9)
Report
Nurturbynature Jan 2022
I get all that your saying and thanks for your input.
(1)
Report
AlvaDeer: "Some people just aren't very nice".

Agree. Some are like sharks. Swim in, take a huge bite for themselves. Swim away.

Sometimes it is not worth the financial or emotional ruin to go hunt them (unless you have a very strong expectation of success).

The bite has been taken. Best to heal & build a shark net.
Helpful Answer (3)
Report

You may have to let it go. Maybe mom did intend for the insurance money to be split evenly, but she failed to do it that way. If someone else is in charge of the probate, they might call it to sibling's attention in a subtle manner: Hey, we have $10K in the bank account and you have that $5K from the insurance that mom said she had in your name to split with everyone. Based on that, we have $15K to split up. Can you let me know when you get the insurance check so we can divvy everything evenly like mom wanted?

As far as what sibling did or didn't do to help, you have to understand some people simply are not caretakers and have no guilt about it. Those who chose to do it - chose to do it. Don't sever the family over the problem that, basically, was created by mom. Not worth it to have a dollar bill cut a relative off.
Helpful Answer (2)
Report

You actually have 2 issues that are not related. Your sibling who is going to get more than the other siblings - that difference needs to be dealt with separately from the other issue. The other issue is the time and concern shown to your mom and how to deal with each sibling's differing amounts of care and concern.

Start by finding ways to come to terms with what actually happened over the course of your mom's life. Look at what you invested into your mother's life and find peace with yourself over your time commitment. If you have animosity with another person, find a counsellor who can spend a little time with both of you to talk over the issues - and hopefully find pathway to peace and forgiveness for any slights.

Then, look at your relationships with your siblings. figure out which relationships are worth investing more time into and which less time. Learn to let go of animosity and find ways to love.

The money thing is what it is. Let go.
Helpful Answer (5)
Report
Davenport Feb 2022
Yes, but ...
(0)
Report
In a perfect world. There could have been 3 beneficiaries on that policy. My 2 girls are beneficiaries behind me on husbands insurances.

You are going to have to let it go. It would be nice if sibling splits it 3 ways but don't expect it.
Helpful Answer (7)
Report

Find peace knowing you did the right thing. I don't think your brother will do this but it isn't to late for him to do the right thing and split the insurance
Helpful Answer (2)
Report

My mom does not have any kind of insurance at all but only ss monthly. So she don't have a will, so money is not something she has but before her decline over years to the point she can't take care of herself at all, she lived in an apartment for many, many years and with only that ss she was able to live modestly.

Dementia tho, has eaten away at her over years. I seen her independence robbed from her.

Now she lives with me for 14 months, now I care for her full time, regardless of Healthcare providers watch her as I go to work, I take over once I arrive.

Anyway.. yes.. she has a younger son but he don't care anything about her, even skips visiting me at all, don't call or text me because he knows he will be updated about his and my mom so he don't bother at all to communicate with me. I don't believe it bothers him at all that he doesn't care at all. If he's willing to cut me out of his life because I'm caring for our mother he's a cold SOB. I seen that now, the reason I talk about me and him because I loved both he and my mom but in the back of my mind I knew something was off with him and during my mothers decline he faded away but I did not think he would cut me off.

At least your brother made futile attempts. Mine did not at all.. no he don't live in another state like my moms sisters who also stopped communicating with her. He lives a Mile down the road from me.

So yes.. siblings can be very cold..
Helpful Answer (5)
Report
bundleofjoy Feb 2022
"I don't believe it bothers him at all that he doesn't care at all."

i agree.
same with my siblings.
and i think, same for many of us.

"but I did not think he would cut me off"

these people only contact if you're useful to them.
if you were a millionaire...i wonder how many times a minute he would call you; how sweetly he'd speak to you.

oh say can you see, what is in it for me...

-------
let karma take care of it. :)
(1)
Report
I'm assuming you spoke with your sibling to ask for a share of the insurance policy. Even if you don't get it, you may not respect this selfish side of your sibling, but think about whether it's worth estrangement just for money.
Helpful Answer (5)
Report

NbN, my brother's and I each had very different relationships with our parents. One brother did most of the heavy lifting. I did what I could. One brother was much less involved.

It is YOUR choice how you approach this issue. You can speak to the issue with your brother, telling him that you think this unequal division might have been an oversight on mom's part and that you trust him to do the right thing.

Or you can leave it alone. Or you can allow it to drive a wedge.

The ball is in your court.
Helpful Answer (6)
Report

A somewhat similar situation happened to me and my younger brother. For five years, Dad was dying slowly and Mom developed cancer and an unknown heart condition, so she went quickly, while he lingered for years, poor guy. Until the very end for Mom and the last 3 months for Dad, they were home with my younger brother and me. We did what little we could for them, and our older brother - who was 4 hours away, had a wife with health problems and 3 kids to raise -rarely even visited. Mother told me shortly before she dropped dead that she wanted to change the will, which had divided their estate into equal thirds. She passed before a lawyer could tell her, as mine did later, that since their will had been signed by both and Dad was not considered competent mentally, it was frozen anyway and there was noting to do. I never brought this up with the older brother, since there was no point. Once Dad was in the nursing home, he did visit more frequently than we did, because another relative had told dad that I was evil (his legal guardian) and was just in it for his money, so when he actually did recognize us, it wasn't pleasant and added nothing to his happiness or ours. So try to forget it - I know it must bite and is unfair, but I doubt you can do much now unless somehow you could sue the estate for the worth of your care. Even if you prevailed, other than feeling vindicated, would you want to live with the family enmity you know in advance would arise from this? As a former paralegal, I know it could drag on and on and put you through another whole grieving process on the stand. KBH
Helpful Answer (6)
Report

We are all wired differently. Simply put.

My siblings badgered my cognitively impaired father to change his beneficiary from my mother, to the two of them ~ he died nine days later due to an “accident.”

Months later, as my mother lay dying in a hospital bed, a sibling walked in and, in the last words he spoke to me, they said, “I can only stay an hour.”

I was the primary care support for my parents the last 4 years of their lives and dropped everything at each crisis moment.

I wish you peace as you close that door of that relationship and cherish the bond with your likeminded sibling. It’s okay to let go of people who you will never understand.

Thank you for being the angel to your parent. They knew goodness.
Helpful Answer (11)
Report

It is amazing the way that the poor health, advanced needs or death of a parent can bring out the absolute worst in sibling children. Sometimes, you have to think that it is the way those parents wanted it to be. That parent could have changed the beneficiary to that policy at any time. We can only hope to move forward with our own children. My mother (turning 100f this year) lives with my wife and I. Neither of her other children could do this. I'm her POA in every respect. Two years ago, I made sure her will spread whatever she has left after her demise equally between all three. My intention is to never carry slights into the future. Help me hope it works out that way. It is no one's fault to be born, and whatever we feel we owe our parents is our own decision, no one else's.
Helpful Answer (7)
Report

First, I'm sorry about your loss, and thank you for caring for your mom. She was lucky to have you. It takes a lot of time and patience to care for a loved one.
Second...Please don't get me wrong here, but I'm going to play the flip side of this situation. Please realize....Some people are not cut out to be caregivers. Some people realize there is more to life than caregiving. Some people ARE too busy. Perhaps they have obligations to a spouses parent, a disabled child, cannot afford to put their job on the line to care for their parent, perhaps they travel for work or live a long distance away from the sick parent and can't afford to travel often. There are so many scenerios that could legitimately make someone too busy to care for someone. Sounds like you were lucky enough to be able to afford the time and effort to care for your mom. Yaay for you. You go on saying how you were the caregiver and your sibling done nothing. Did you specifically ask this sibling to do anything to help outside of the caregiver part? Such as pay the bills, etc? You said yourself they checked in often. Evidently, that wasn't enough. Some caregivers want to be in charge of it all, then complain no one done anything to help. I'm not saying this is you, just saying. Did you specifically talk to the sibling that inherited the insurance policy about receiving your fair share?
Who had POA who could have helped mom to get this fixed before she passed? Who was in charge of the will? This person had the responsibility to make sure all proceeds were to be divided equally and they failed miserably to split the proceeds up accordingly so that your sibling that inherited the insurance policy would have got their $ and you and the other sibling would have split the rest to make sure that all 3 siblings got their equal fair share.
From what I've read, it sounds to me that you are kicking this sibling to the curb because you didn't get what you think you deserve. As i recall, the policy was for $10K. So your equal share would have been $3,333.33. Life is not fair. Had this sibling mistreated you or disrespected you in any way in the past? Is this sibling putting the insurance $ aside to actually take care of you in some way as you stated or are you assuming the worst? It sounds to me that it's all about you and money. Let that stuff go and get on with your life. If you let estrangement set it, then you've got to realize there is NO chance of getting that money you are wanting so badly. Even if it's your fair share. If you keep positive lines of communication open, at least you've got perhaps a chance to get something. If you feel the need to be upset and put the blame on someone, blame your mom...or better yet, the person who was the representative of the will. . All this could have been eliminated had someone done their job diligently and made sure all the money was fairly distributed. I say Let. it. go. Life is too short.
In today's world, 3K is not a lot of money that you can do much with besides putting a wedge between you and your sibling. Perhaps look at it in the way of the value of your memories with your mom. I'm sure all that extra time with her was worth more than 3K. It's your choice because life is full of choices. Good luck to you.
Helpful Answer (7)
Report
JoAnn29 Jan 2022
A DPOA does not give the person assigned the authority to change any legal documents. They cannot change a Will or beneficiaries on an insurance policy. They cannot coerce someone into making those changes. DPOA is a tool so when the time comes you can help the person who assigned you. You can pay bills, you can place the person in an AL or LTC. You can sell their house to pay for their care. You responsibility is to make sure their wishes are carried out.
(1)
Report
You could confront that sibling but I find in the end most people are selfish and greedy .
Helpful Answer (4)
Report

I have found that there are Givers and Takers in this life. Unfortunately too many takers and money grabbers. If your brother cares about the money more than his family then I would let him have it and ask whether you want somebody like that in your life. If he doesn't offer you a share then query it and see what he says. But know that you did right by your mum and you are the better person.
Helpful Answer (4)
Report

Do not expect any of the insurance money that went to the uninvolved sibling. It may well have been an oversight on your mother's part, but that's what happened. Many families have no insurance policies or investment portfolios for any of the survivors. If it helps your own perspective, consider that the oldest sibling has less time left to build his or her own resources and may need the extra money for health care themselves.
Helpful Answer (1)
Report

Saying prayers for you to find peace and putting your stress and irritation for your sibling behind you. You can’t change the situation or brother and so why waste your emotion and time with that and instead be grateful for the time and opportunity to care for your mom. I have been through this very scenario and I really had to get past how I felt he should have been as a son but he Is a narcissist so there will never be any reasoning with him and actually it was also a blessing in disguise that I didn’t have to deal with him for the 3 years my mom was ill and lived with me. Of course I couldn’t see any of that in the midst of it but in time I’ve learned that it was a true blessing to share that time with my mom and If I had to do it again as stressful as it was.. I sleep very well every night and I’m grateful! No room to dwell…not going to do anything but hold you back or stuck in the past.
BTW I have nothing to do with my brother; I don’t want someone like that in my life regardless that we’re related.
Helpful Answer (7)
Report
Michelle2828 Feb 2022
she's talking about her sister here.....
(0)
Report
Let it go. The anger you feel hurts no one but you. The most important thing is knowing you gave your all to caring for your Mom. May she rest in peace.
Helpful Answer (9)
Report

I too, am going to come at this from a different perspective. You say you are a person of great faith. I don't know if that faith is Christian faith, but if it is, then I think you have an obligation to forgive your sibling. Is the money really worth losing a brother? In the book of Matthew chapter 18 there is a parable about how we are forgiven much and how we are supposed to forgive others. How would your mom feel about you writing off your brother and being unwilling to forgive him and have a relationship with him because he got more of the money from her will than you did? When you did those things for your mom you did so out of love and respect for her. They were hard things, and took a big emotional toil on you. I think you anger may be more in the fact that you don't feel appreciated for all your effort by your siblings. If you get to the heart of the issue, the fact that you are feeling unappreciated and take some time to grieve your loss, you may find you have more compassion in your heart for your brother.
Helpful Answer (4)
Report
Beatlefan Jan 2022
I think you hit the nail on the head. As Christians we are told to forgive as He forgave us. I do understand though, how hard it is to do when you feel someone is disrespecting you and doesn't seem to value you or your time.
We are also told to forgive many many times. I understand that to mean we may have to continually forgive someone for the same offense.
I struggle with the forgiveness part too and know I must forgive, but also know it is easier said than done.
(2)
Report
See 1 more reply
I think there are two things to note about this. First, you do for your parents what you want to do, with no regard for possible inheritance. Do not expect others to share your opinions, they probably will not, as each of us is different and each of us had a somewhat different relationship with our parents.

The second thing is that when we prepare for our own last weeks/months/years and for the disbursement of our own estates, we should not assume that our children will do as we expect. Set up funds (if there is any money) for your own care, and assume that whoever cares for you should be paid from those funds, as long as they last. Have an attorney help you set up a will to govern the dispersal of everything in your estate and make your estate the beneficiary of insurance policies and investment and savings accounts. Leaving accounts to one child in the belief that that child will provide care or will share with others is silly. It rarely turns out that way. Everything should go into one pot that can be divided along the lines you choose. It does not need to be divided equally.

I wish my Mom had left instructions in her will to leave the bulk of her estate to the two sisters who spent more time caring for her than any of the rest of us. Not that the estate is worth much, anyway. However, I wish that Mom had acknowledged the two with a shared half of her "massive" $5,000 estate and shared the rest between the remaining 3 of us. Or maybe she should have given it all to them. I got a few family heirlooms from the house and really didn't need or want anything else. Naturally, I tried to sign my share over to my younger sister, who both deserves and needs it more than I, but she won't take it.

I do not understand this odd compulsion to try to make everything equal in death when nothing is even close to equal in life. Nevertheless, you did what you wanted to do for your mother. I hope you can achieve some peace and satisfaction with that and ignore the money. It is not worth your time and energy to worry over something over which you have no control. Sympathies and hugs.
Helpful Answer (2)
Report
Riley2166 Jan 2022
I have seen this over and over and over again. I don't know what makes some people so greedy and selfish and mean and disinterested while others go all out to help. If I had the answer, I'd be rich but I don't. I do no know all the details in the prior relationship or promises made but it certainly is not fair, just and reasonable. Your mother should have updated everything but she didn't. You can speak with an eldercare attorney but I doubt you will win anything different. What I personally would do in this case, if I were you, is finish whatever you and your sister were doing - closure - then both of you sever ties and move on. Why would you want this last sister in your lives with her greediness and attitude? I would not. I learned the hard way, all too late, that forgiveness is not always needed when what they did was awful. Had I forgiven, I would have been condoning their actions and in answer to prayer, I moved on and did not forgive - it was impossible.
(2)
Report
You know you did right by your Mom. That’s what counts, right?

Also, you can’t change your sibling’s behavior or make him split the inheritance he received. All you can do is change your own behavior - how you react and live with the event.

He’s obviously not going to change, so you have to make peace with that and move on, so you can live your best life - or it inhabit a piece of your soul.
Helpful Answer (1)
Report

You were a wonderful child and your sibling was not. But things get overlooked and then you have to live with it. I'm was the executor of a trust and the wife left a share to her brother, who had predeceased her. When he died she should have rewritten the trust so that all of that share went to that brother's child who actually kept in touch with her. That niece had two brothers with who had estranged themselves and hadn't spoken to my friend in almost two decades. But because the trust was written that if the brother died that that share would be left equally between his living children, each of the two estranged brothers got as much money as the "nice" child. Everyone agreed that it was not what "Evelyn" wanted, but there was nothing to do but write the checks. It's too bad this happened to you and your mom, but things get overlooked.
Helpful Answer (2)
Report

Nurturbynature: I am very sorry for the loss of your mother and send condolences. In many a family unit, there are going to be issues where one adult child does the caregiving. In your case, this is about a life insurance policy. Perhaps the beneficiary indeed was not updated by your late mother due to forgetfulness (understandably) or other factors. You won't know the particulars UNLESS you ask the recipient.
Helpful Answer (0)
Report

Let go.................block the phone and let them take any belongings they want. Cleanse your mind of resentment and judgement so that you can set yourself free. I wrote a letter to my older brother to tell him I never wanted to see him or hear from him again; he was a horrible brother, a horrible son and a loser husband (which was none of my business, but I felt sorry for his weak wife).

I have been free of resentment and contact for 40 years and I'm grateful that I took the high road. When we carry the burden of hate, we weigh ourselves down and set limitations on our happiness: don't do that!
Helpful Answer (8)
Report

Sorry for your loss. My father just passed after about a year of health issues. Zero help from my older two siblings during his decline. You’re only hope and solace is that you did right by your parent in helping and caring. Live in peace. The others will suffer the bad karma. Take care of yourself and as hard as it may be you may need to cut ties with the estranged. It happens.
Helpful Answer (4)
Report

This question has been closed for answers. Ask a New Question.
Ask a Question
Subscribe to
Our Newsletter